What am I looking at?

by Paul ⌂, Wednesday, June 26, 2024, 10:42 (22 days ago)

Last weekend I was participating in a training for Range Officers for ISSF type 10, 25 and 50 meter shooting. One of the participants in the 10 Meter Rifle and 50 Meter Rifle was a retired Colonel from the national armed forces. His 50 Meter rifle intrigued me, never seen one like it and it was unique on the line as everyone else was shooting pretty much straight up factory rifles from Anschutz, Feinwerkbau, etc. I took a closer look when he was doing the pre-competition equipment check and I asked him about it. He says I'm the first one over the years to realize it's a built rifle instead of factory and all he could tell me was "It's a Marlin". Later he added that originally it was a tube fed repeater but he built it into a single shot precision machine. His results were pretty impressive for an iron sighted "sporting" rifle built into an ISSF legal singleshot.


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Unfortunately I didn't get any picks of the full length of the rifle. It's fitted with competition type sights fore and aft as well as a stainless barrel, carbon fiber chassis and I've no clue as to the trigger. It must be nice to have contacts and money. :-D

What am I looking at?

by Miles ⌂, CIVITATES AMERICAE, Wednesday, June 26, 2024, 16:52 (22 days ago) @ Paul

Just my guess, but I think you're looking at 10 to 15 million of those Columbian Pesos.

The MEC Centra sights are German, and 'top of the line' barely covers describing them
You're looking at a $1000US - just for the rear sight. Likely $300 for the unseen front sight that would go along with it.

No telling what the custom action, trigger, barrel and stock work cost the Colonel, but it looks like he didn't stint and wanted the best gunsmithing money could buy. My question would be, does Columbia have that level of gunsmithing, or did he have the work done either in the U.S. or in Europe?

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Any clue on what the original receiver was?

by Paul ⌂, Wednesday, June 26, 2024, 17:17 (22 days ago) @ Miles

My understanding is that he had the work done here. But to get the bits and pieces in would have taken some string pulling in all likelihood. He made it clear - "NOT for sale!". That's his baby and he's invested a lot of time and effort into setting it up. And if it WERE for sale the price would be up there in the 20 to 30 millions of pesos at least. And I no longer qualify to buy used guns here anyway. :-(

I've never seen a Marlin .22

by Miles ⌂, CIVITATES AMERICAE, Wednesday, June 26, 2024, 17:38 (22 days ago) @ Paul

with the safety in front of the bolt.
I'm not sure enough to say it's not a Marlin, but I think it is possible Senior Coronel was pulling your leg.

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A couple of things to bear in mind...

by Paul ⌂, Thursday, June 27, 2024, 09:21 (21 days ago) @ Miles

The new constitution of 1993 decreed that ALL guns now belong to the state alone and only the state can sell ammo and grant permission to use a firearm. A law was quickly passed obliging everyone to register their firearms and granting a short amnesty period in which one could pretty much bring anything in and they'd put it in the system. The problem was - there was a vast void of knowledge about the diverse brands, models and configurations of firearms and I know of one case in particular in which a Marlin Model 39 is stamped Remington and the owner has papers on it in that brand name - because "There's no such brand as Marlin"...as the original registerer was told when taking in the rifle to get it papered. Pre-internet. Pre-computer. You were left with the luck of the draw as far as whatever "expert" happened to be assigned to the Army post where you were attempting to comply with the law.

A bit of conjecture - it may be that the good Colonel, or whoever originally registered the rifle, was confronted by someone who had never heard of "X" (whatever brand the rifle orginaly was) and so they had it stamped Marlin and registered as such. He states it was a tube-fed bolt action holding 9 shots, which I've never heard of in a Marlin but my experience is quite limited due to life circumstances. I didn't get to handle the rifle in question so didn't see the Marlin stamp on it, much less get a picture of it. The Remington stamp on the Marlin 39 I saw years ago looked reasonably "authentic", not a matter of individual letter stamps being used but of a high quality die stamp that had everything lined up and looking good.

If I ever meet up with the Colonel and his rifle again I'll see if I can get a chance to coon finger it a bit and see what other details I can pick up.

It’s a Walther

by Otony, Saturday, June 29, 2024, 03:03 (19 days ago) @ Paul

The model that predates the KK500
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Different stock than the one pictured, but quite obviously the same action

Bingo!

by Miles ⌂, CIVITATES AMERICAE, Saturday, June 29, 2024, 06:50 (19 days ago) @ Otony

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The plot thickens...

by Paul ⌂, Saturday, June 29, 2024, 09:26 (19 days ago) @ Otony

Now I'm curious as to how and why it ended up stamped as "Marlin". My guess is someone came up with a Walther and no papers, erased the factory stamps and remarked it as "Marlin" to go with the paperwork they DID have...

KK200

by Paul ⌂, Saturday, June 29, 2024, 09:40 (19 days ago) @ Otony

Thanks for the help! I KNEW it didn't look like any Marlin I'd ever come across - but have far less exposure to the target rifles so couldn't link it to anything I'd seen before either.


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Now I want to REALLY coonfinger that rifle and see what they did to it, although it appears like it's reasonably "standard" target chasis and other bits and bobs- what intrigues me is the remarking of the action...

KK200

by Otony, Saturday, June 29, 2024, 23:21 (18 days ago) @ Paul

I was positive I had seen one before, and equally sure it was “grown” in Europe. Not too many factory offerings beyond Anschutz and Walther, but there are a fair number of low volume production brands, mostly out of Switzerland.

Digging around European vendor websites for sights and stocks is where I turned it up. It is quite possibly a KK300, they are very similar in appearance.

I guess the American equivalent would be to build a Turbo or a Vuudoo, sorta kinda

Otony

The Walther origin explains a lot.

by Paul ⌂, Monday, July 01, 2024, 08:54 (17 days ago) @ Otony

I dearly wanted to see it out of its stock to get an idea of how they grafted a competition trigger onto a sporter receiver. Well, starting out with a competition receiver greatly simplifies that issue! There's a lot of ???, but it's really none of my business, just a big curiosity about all things BANGSTICK that torments me. I remember digging through the junk pile at my gunsmith's place way out in the sertão and wondering about the history of some of the relics quietly rusting into oblivion. There was everything from old muzzle loaders to some fine european shotgun and other sporting type stuff, as well as one Mauser bolt action that was from an era of greater political unrest.

Anyway, his was the only "custom" rifle on the line. Everyone else was shooting pretty much stock factory offerings, hence my fascination with it.

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