Anyone here ever shot a Brown Bess (or replica)?
by AaronB, Wednesday, January 22, 2025, 15:19 (49 days ago)
With my mind wandering idly (its usual activity) it wandered into the flintlock era. With my family history it occurred to me that I wouldn't mind having a big old long chunky Brown Bess (or 2nd Land Pattern Musket, as they're called). Flint lock, .72 caliber, smooth bore, just the thing for standing in a row with a hundred of your closest friends and firing at massed infantry 50 yards away.
Has anyone here ever played with one?
-AaronB
Anyone here ever shot a Brown Bess (or replica)?
by A K Church, Wednesday, January 22, 2025, 16:12 (49 days ago) @ AaronB
A little.
Friend of mine in the Ford/Carter/Reagan era had one set up as some believed the Roger's Rangers muskets were.
DGW replica, which I think was Italian. Lopped back to around 30" of barrel, and some brass tacks. Best I recall even 47 or so years ago, Brown Bess replicas were decently expensive.
Memory says, a French "black" flint, and paper cartridge with a .710ish roundball, and 95 grains by vol. of FF. We torch Casenite treated the frizzen.
GOOD sparking old beast, it was not hard to keep all your shots on the FBI silhouette at 50 yards. Fouling built up slowly enough you could keep loading it past 20 rounds uncleaned. Recoil was tolerable. Reliable if it was not raining or snowing. His had the proper white leather and brass sling, and damned handsome it all was.
Marcus's had the front sight/bayonet post reattached, but the bayonet was no longer functional.
Yes, it was great fun to shoot. Even with over 1/3 or so of the barrel gone, it was still heavy, and still balance forward.
He fell into bad ways, and I assume his musket was sold at an IRS tax auction. He dodged convictions on both embezzling, and tax fraud, but he lost everything else.
Indecently expensive
by AaronB, Thursday, January 23, 2025, 07:15 (48 days ago) @ A K Church
I have priced the Pedersolis on GB and there's nothing there under $1400.
I suppose that isn't terrible for a niche weapon like the Bess, but it's more than my usual pocket money.
-AaronB
Indecently expensive
by A K Church, Saturday, January 25, 2025, 16:13 (46 days ago) @ AaronB
You might look for a used brown Bess. Like most of the 1847 Mexican Army had.
No & No......
by RayLee, Wednesday, January 22, 2025, 18:55 (49 days ago) @ AaronB
But I have much experience with flintlocks. One thing that has been brought to my attention regarding the largest locks, the pedersoli's in particular, if there is a visible gap, even paper thin gap, where the lock/pan meets the barrel then priming powder can trickle/migrate down into the cavernous stock/lock mortices and accumulate there during extended shooting sessions.
Viewed from above, looking down at the lock with the hammer back notice the junction of the lock against the barrel. The besses that I have seen, what with their rounded oval pans have no perceptible gap but the charleville's, with their rectangular pan and different lock to barrel geometry almost insures powder accumulating inside the stock.
The stalwart muzzleloader wm. hovey smith chronicled this attempting to use a loaded musket throughout a deer season without clearing by firing at the end of the hunting day. He just dumped the priming then pricked the vent and reprimed the next trip. At the end of the season he removed the lock only to discover a dangerous accumulation of priming powder, just one shot could of have been tragic.
I bet they sorted this out in the originals pretty quick.
by AaronB, Thursday, January 23, 2025, 07:10 (48 days ago) @ RayLee
If it's 1750 and you're making these by the hundreds, it wouldn't have taken a lot of field use for one of these to kaboom with painful results. I bet if this flaw cropped up in the originals, the feedback made it to the armory and they corrected it right quick.
-AaronB
Maybe, but our englisher.....
by RayLee, Sunday, January 26, 2025, 08:04 (45 days ago) @ AaronB
antecedents may have not been quite as astute as assumed.
Reminds of Oland's depiction of the Honolulu detective as he descended into the Paris sewers and offered a colt's .38 to an otherwise unarmed sidekick who unselfishly demurred.
Chan said, "its okay. Not trust self-loading pistol and smokeless powder. Carry two in case of blow-up !"
Yes, for good effect within it's range.
by Bob Hatfield , Saturday, February 01, 2025, 10:01 (39 days ago) @ AaronB
edited by Bob Hatfield, Saturday, February 01, 2025, 10:04
Shot a Pedersoli for several years. The first picture of the target was shot at 50 yards from a rest. The Bess is a 50-yard deer gun in my opinion. The deer above was shot with 80 grains of 2g Goex and a patched .715 ball at 60 yards. The ball entered the lungs and exited breaking the offside leg. The deer bled out with 30 yards. Wish I had never sold it. They have a lot of fiddle factor.
Bob
...and the grouse?
by AaronB, Thursday, February 06, 2025, 08:52 (34 days ago) @ Bob Hatfield
I can't imagine wingshooting with a Brown Bess, but... there it is, your photo of you and a harvested ruffed grouse.
I presume you took the bird with a shot load. Do you remember the particulars?
-AaronB
...and the grouse?
by Bob Hatfield , Thursday, February 06, 2025, 19:10 (34 days ago) @ AaronB
edited by Bob Hatfield, Thursday, February 06, 2025, 19:14
That was in 2017. Cannot remember the load chain. Probably kept it simple with around 80 grains of 2f and an 11 gauge nitro wad under 1-1/2 ounces of #6 shot and one over the shot.
I shot the grouse on the ground in the woods(I know not sporting) and ate it for lunch.
I always have a meat hammer, olive oil in a whiskey flask and flour in the truck. I rip out the breast and hammer it into two big chicken patties. Coat it in seasoned flour and I then fry it in olive oil. Those are buckwheat groats (Kasha) in the pan with the grouse breast.
roats
You are my hero…..
by Otony, Thursday, February 06, 2025, 22:16 (34 days ago) @ Bob Hatfield
…..I have always enjoyed your posts.
Otony
...and the grouse?
by Slow Hand
, Indiana, Monday, February 10, 2025, 13:06 (30 days ago) @ Bob Hatfield
I’ve always wanted to take a muzzle loading shotgun out after birds. I’m such a horrible shot that I doubt I’d hit any but at least I’d have more of an excuse! Maybe one of these trips up to the UP I’ll have something fun to take…
Two more images.
by Bob Hatfield , Saturday, February 01, 2025, 10:45 (39 days ago) @ AaronB
edited by Bob Hatfield, Sunday, February 02, 2025, 06:35
This deer was originally shot at around 75 yards in the pouring rain. I hit him right behind the diaphragm. He stood there while I reloaded. Then a flash in the pan. He looked at me like I was dumb. I was for shooting too far. Then another flash in the pan. He walked away sickly and stopped. I shot again bracing against a tree again. The Bess fired (in the rain) and I hit him again about an inch or so behind the diaphragm. He walked away and I tracked the blood. There was plenty but not from the lungs. I found him lying down and finished him through the head. All the shots were pass throughs. The two shots through the body were within 2 inches of each other but never hit a vital organ just part of the liver IIRC. I was not proud of this kill and therefore limit my shots with a smoothbore on deer to 50 yards after that.
But as a 18th and 19th century combat weapon, I wouldn't want anyone shooting at me within 150 yards. A big Bess ball hitting a bone is bad news.
Bob