Pressure and perceived recoil
We can measure/calculate things like pressure and recoil, but perceived recoil is extremely subjective and depends on a lot of variables.
One of those is rise time. If we imagine two cartridges, both with a 20Kpsi average pressure, fired in absolutely identical firearms giving markedly different impressions of recoil, my personal suspicion is the rise time of the pressure curve. Many local people perceive a 30-06 to kick horribly, but I have seen them shoot 100rnds of high brass 12ga at a late season dove shoot with no complaints.
One extreme analogy would be comparing 0-100mph in the family car to a top fuel dragster (.8s) - it will feel different. I think we put too much emphasis on the actual pressure and not enough on the full pressure curve in this case.
Really fast rise times (acceleration) coupled with high pressures will batter mechanical objects with excessive tolerances. Famous story about Winchester chambering their beefed up 1894 XTR in 454C - even though it could handle the pressure, the tolerances and the acceleration opened up the headspace in just a handful of shots.
It's the old 'big shove' vs 'sharp punch' and people react differently.
Then you try a full power 500NE and realize it combines a BIG SHOVE with a SHARP PUNCH. LOL!
Just my theory,
Complete thread:
- .450 BP Express (or "I am an idiot") -
AaronB,
2024-12-13, 08:59
- You guys and your strange cartridges.... -
JohnKDM,
2024-12-13, 09:17
- You guys and your strange rifles... - JohnKDM, 2024-12-13, 09:33
- .450 NE Reamer -
AaronB,
2024-12-13, 10:11
- .450 NE Reamer - JohnKDM, 2024-12-13, 12:48
- NEF Handi-Rifle in .45-70 -
cas,
2024-12-13, 10:41
- That's perfect. -
AaronB,
2024-12-13, 11:14
- Calculated recoil -
JohnKDM,
2024-12-13, 12:39
- Stock Design for Managing Recoil -
AaronB,
2024-12-13, 14:02
- Stock Design for Managing Recoil -
JohnKDM,
2024-12-13, 14:45
- That's the part I didn't understand. -
cas,
2024-12-13, 20:01
- The bore size has some effect…. -
Otony,
2024-12-13, 20:24
- Pressures and all.... -
cas,
2024-12-13, 21:02
- Pressure and perceived recoil - JohnKDM, 2024-12-14, 10:18
- Pressures and all.... -
cas,
2024-12-13, 21:02
- The bore size has some effect…. -
Otony,
2024-12-13, 20:24
- That's the part I didn't understand. -
cas,
2024-12-13, 20:01
- Stock Design for Managing Recoil - Slow Hand, 2024-12-14, 09:48
- Stock Design for Managing Recoil -
JohnKDM,
2024-12-13, 14:45
- Stock Design for Managing Recoil -
AaronB,
2024-12-13, 14:02
- Calculated recoil -
JohnKDM,
2024-12-13, 12:39
- That's perfect. -
AaronB,
2024-12-13, 11:14
- .450 BP Express (or "I am an idiot") - Otony, 2024-12-13, 12:57
- I had a 1997 NEF Handi-Rifle in .45-70 - A K Church, 2024-12-13, 18:00
- Twist rate… -
Slow Hand,
2024-12-14, 09:50
- Twist rate… -
JohnKDM,
2024-12-14, 09:56
- Twist rate… -
Slow Hand,
2024-12-14, 17:55
- Twist rate… - JohnKDM, 2024-12-15, 10:48
- Twist rate… -
Slow Hand,
2024-12-14, 17:55
- Twist rate… -
JohnKDM,
2024-12-14, 09:56
- You guys and your strange cartridges.... -
JohnKDM,
2024-12-13, 09:17