# Update on the original 40cal paper patch bullets

A quick visual study of the box and bullets revealed they are swaged bullets with a cone shaped depression in the base. Other bullets, illustrations, and descriptions I have seen have always shown a shallow dish in the base. This cone is deeper than the dished bases I have seen.

The paper patch is nearly perfectly consistent on all 25 bullets with some variation on the amount of overlap on the base which is a Hyde style (meaning it does not have a tail and in fact has a hole over the hollow base cavity). All patches are tight; these bullets could be fired today.

Box indicates 1 to 19 bullet alloy - about 10bhn.

Here's the pic from Aaron:

Measurements

Weight 370grs Nominal - more on actual weights later.

Length 1.245", except for some measuring 1.238" - more on that later.

Diameter over the two wraps of PP .4010". Bore rider.

Diameter just ahead of the PP .388". This exposed nose appears to be tapering. Did not unwrap any to check the cylindrical section.

Paper thickness appears to be .002" from careful micrometer measurement at the base. Given that, the cylindrical diameter would be .401" - .008" = .393". Did not unwrap for a certain measurement.

Each of the 25 bullets were weighed and the spreadsheet kicked out these numbers:

Sample Size = 25

Mean = 371.1grs

Minimum = 369.9grs

Maximum = 371.8grs

Extreme Spread = 1.9grs

Standard Deviation = .656grs

3 Sigma = 1.968grs

Mean - 3 Sigma = 369.1grs

Mean + 3 Sigma = 373.1grs

Percent Variation (3 Sigma / Mean) = 0.53%

Since swaged bullets should be more consistent than cast bullets, these numbers were surprisingly bad; 3 sigma predicting plus or minus 1.97grs to encompass 99.7% of all bullets from this process. Sorting the individual bullet weights into a graph that mimics a Bell curve, something appeared - let me explain what the chart represents first. The horizontal axis is marked with individual bullet weights in .1gr increments. The vertical axis are numbers ranging from 0 to 7. These represent the numbers of bullets in the 25ct sample that weighed that amount. For example, there were 6 bullets that weighed 371.5grs.

If a process is under control and working well, there will be a single bell shaped distribution of the product - preferably a tall and narrow bell, as this indicates a tight range as represented by a low standard deviation. Here we have TWO bell shaped groups! Remember the length measurements? The left most (lighter) group measured .008" shorter, consistently. Best guess is this box contained bullets from two different swaging dies? Interesting... never considered the tolerance variation between dies impacting production quality. These would respond well to sorting, however, as the numbers are not all over the place, but cluster together in two groups.

Measurement Data

For comparison, and to show cast bullets can be consistent, here is data from a 206ct batch of Lyman 457125 520gr bullets.

Sample Size = 206

Mean = 519.0grs

Minimum = 518.1

Maximum = 519.8

Extreme Spread = 1.7grs

Standard Deviation = .348

3 Sigma = 1.044grs

Mean - 3 Sigma = 518.0

Mean + 3 Sigma = 520.1

Percent Variation (3 Sigma / Mean) = .20%

Here they are stacked on paper with the weights marked below. One grouping, physically illustrating how the chart above works. It is easy to do if you want to see if your casting process is consistent and working well.

Again, thanks to AaronB for making these available!

**Complete thread:**

- Update on the original 40cal paper patch bullets -
**JohnKDM**, 2024-08-28, 20:39- Bi-modal Distribution -
**AaronB**, 2024-08-29, 07:59- Good point; *something* was certainly different -
**JohnKDM**, 2024-08-29, 13:25- Might it be as simple as combining two partial boxes? -
**Hoot**, 2024-09-04, 11:19- Maybe, but probably not. -
**AaronB**, 2024-09-04, 15:20

- Maybe, but probably not. -

- Might it be as simple as combining two partial boxes? -

- Good point; *something* was certainly different -
- First time I'm seeing... -
**Paul**, 2024-09-04, 08:14- Definitely understand about pellets, as even the smallest -
**JohnKDM**, 2024-09-05, 13:20

- Definitely understand about pellets, as even the smallest -

- Bi-modal Distribution -