Cocked and locked carry for 1911s - I have seen all sorts

by stonewalrus, Monday, August 27, 2018, 22:26 (2217 days ago)

Of opinions about whether you have to have a thumb strap in front of the hammer or not or to carry with hammer down, round chambered Opinions? I recently inherited a Kimber Ultra Carry II. First 1911 for me.Haven’t started packing it yet. Did put an Ambi Safety on it. (I’m a lefty).

The safest way to carry a 1911 planned for immediate use

by Miles ⌂, CIVITATES AMERICAE, Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 00:16 (2216 days ago) @ stonewalrus

is Condition 1 'loaded/cocked and locked'.
The thumb safety locks the sear and slide, and the grip safety blocks the trigger.

The second worst way to carry any 1911 is hammer down with one up the spout.

I don't consider a holster with a thumb strap to be mandatory, but when snapped, the gun and holster are not going to easily part company.

This ^^^ is good advice.

by Hoot @, Diversityville, Liberal-sota, Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 04:57 (2216 days ago) @ Miles

My mostest carried holster has a thumb strap but I have several others which do not.

Cocked and locked carry for 1911s - I have seen all sorts

by Paul ⌂, Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 07:27 (2216 days ago) @ stonewalrus

If you want to carry a 1911, you'd do yourself a favor to get one of Simply Rugged's holsters sans strap and carry it cocked and locked. Those holsters hold it tight until you purposefully draw it out. Your hand automatically grips the pistol, releasing the grip safety, your thumb automatically sweeps the safety down and then your finger moves to the trigger - all smooth and safe if properly rehearsed (trained).

If for psychological reasons you feel a need for a strap, there are holsters that allow you to place a strap in front of the cocked and locked hammer. One more layer of safety on this very safe platform. When I say "for psychological reasons" it's not a jab. When you've been around guns as long as we have there are things that we insist on to prevent some potential problem.

Carrying a 1911 with the hammer down on a loaded chamber is NOT a good idea. Carrying it for self protection with the hammer down on an unloaded chamber isn't either. The design allows you to safely carry it with a loaded chamber and the hammer cocked as long as you also engage the thumb safety. BUT to carry a 1911 you really need to spend a lot of time training with it. That's why I no longer have a 1911 up north, no time/$$$ to train during our brief sojourns up there. The sixgun gets the nod as it's the platform I train on.

In extreme situations we default to our training. Carrying a 1911 safely means you need to spend plenty of time retraining for this platform.

Cocked and locked carry for 1911s - I have seen all sorts

by sjcollins ⌂ @, SW Missouri, Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 10:08 (2216 days ago) @ stonewalrus

I've carried a 1911 for a long time, and have never felt unsafe carrying cocked and locked, or felt the need for a safety strap. I've carried them in leather and kydex, but always fully loaded, hammer back, safety on. Anyone who tells you you'll have time to rack the slide and put one in the chamber, under stress, is a fool.

There is a learning curve to them, so I do recommend spending a good deal of time getting used to the operation of one before carrying it. If you can swing it, a trip to Gunsite, either the ranch itself or hitting up one of the traveling classes, would serve you well. Rob Leahy at Simply Rugged can set you up with good carry and training gear.

My only other piece of advice is on magazines. Don't skimp on them! Wilson Combat or Chip McCormick are the best. Get at least 6 of them, along with some dummy rounds to practice loading, unloading and malfunction drills.

Cocked and locked carry for 1911s - I have seen all sorts

by sjcollins ⌂ @, SW Missouri, Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 10:10 (2216 days ago) @ sjcollins

Oh, one other thing: the short 1911s like yours tend to function better with bullets in the 185gr-200gr weight. I got that from Bill Wilson. Fortunately, there's a lot of good defensive ammo in those weights.

Condition one

by Frank S, Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 10:28 (2216 days ago) @ sjcollins

Is the only real option if your carrying a 1911 for SD.
I took a combat pistol course at Quantico Marine Corps base years ago. We fired in excess of 400 rounds each.
When we were finished with our turn we would engage the hammer safety and return our pistols to pur holsters.
That was when I became comfortable carrying cocked and locked[image]

Going off half-cocked

by Norm, Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 14:03 (2216 days ago) @ stonewalrus

I've been using/shooting/carrying 1911's since my dad bought be a brand new Commercial Government Model in 1964. Until a couple years ago I carried them chamber loaded, cocked and locked. My motor skills aren't what they used to be, and I'm not the way I used to be so nowadays I carry either a SIG 228 or 226, both West German w/o rails, in 9mm.

If the second worse way to carry a 1911 is hammer down with one in the chamber, then the WORST way is hammer on half-cock with a chambered road (a result of reading too many detective/tough guy paperbacks as a teenager), which is what I did before I learned about "false half-cock". That was the day when I was taken the gun out of my front pocket, the hammer snagged and a 210 lead SWC over 7.8 grains Unique (Jeff Cooper's hellacious load) struck the ground between my feet.

I recall reading in "One Ranger Returns", Joaquin Jackson's 2nd book about an impromptu shooting match he had with some FBI agents. He "drew his Commander, snicked off the safety, racked the slide" in one smooth movement and outshot the FBI guys. I don't have the book anymore, and would someone with a copy please verify I read that correctly?
Thanks

Norm

Going off half-cocked

by Miles ⌂, CIVITATES AMERICAE, Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 15:05 (2216 days ago) @ Norm

If the second worse way to carry a 1911 is hammer down with one in the chamber, then the WORST way is hammer on half-cock with a chambered road (a result of reading too many detective/tough guy paperbacks as a teenager), which is what I did before I learned about "false half-cock". That was the day when I was taken the gun out of my front pocket, the hammer snagged and a 210 lead SWC over 7.8 grains Unique (Jeff Cooper's hellacious load) struck the ground between my feet.

Dang it:-) I was waiting for someone to ask "What's the worst way?" so I could roll that one out.

Going off half-cocked

by Charles, Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 16:41 (2216 days ago) @ Norm

I have that book, but have not been able to find it for years. I can tell you that when Jackson was in active Ranger service, he carried a Colt LW Commander cocked and locked. I have been noticing what folks carry in their holster for a very long time.

Going off half-cocked

by Norm, Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 18:02 (2216 days ago) @ Charles

Relating the shooting match I got the impression that he'd been carrying his LW Commander cocked, safety on, and and empty chamber. I may have to find a usd copy and look for that passage.

Going off half-cocked

by john purcell, Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 17:42 (2216 days ago) @ Norm

Norm, I had a false half cock experience with my first colt 1911 a1. vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvVery enlitening. john

beware of your holster

by bj @, Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 19:54 (2216 days ago) @ stonewalrus

I've seen holsters with a bad habit of disengaging the safety.

Yes, this!

by Bri A, Wednesday, August 29, 2018, 11:05 (2215 days ago) @ bj

I have experienced this with a couple different hosters. One was a Bianchi X-15 shoulder holster that did not retain the pistol very well, a couple of times the pistol fell out with the safety off. That holster is only used for revolvers now.

Cocked and locked carry for 1911s - Lefty option

by bmize, Wednesday, August 29, 2018, 17:30 (2215 days ago) @ stonewalrus

Since you are a lefty, like myself, and have installed an ambi safety, now cut the left side off and shape it down like the original Colt safety. that big lever sticking out is what catches and disengages the safety while carrying.
Ive been carrying a 1911 for 15 years and is was always coming off safe until I cut it down.
The right side(for a lefthander) I left extended and it is up against leather so it is fine being oversized.


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Cocked and locked carry for 1911s - Lefty option

by Catoosa, Friday, August 31, 2018, 20:56 (2213 days ago) @ bmize

Tom, if you wind up with a holster you think needs it, I can put a safety block on it that will prevent the safety from coming off in the holster.

i carry mine cocked and locked in...

by rob @, Friday, August 31, 2018, 22:52 (2213 days ago) @ stonewalrus

Both a Simply Rugged Cuda and (though it doesn't meet Rob's approval) sometimes in a Blackhawk! IWB Leather holster. Both work exceptionally well for the intended purpose.

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