THE SCOUT IS OBSOLETE: S&W M10 M&P 308 w/

by Rob Leahy ⌂ @, Prescott, Arizona, Tuesday, January 31, 2017, 19:38 (2855 days ago)

Leopold's 2x7x30 Hunterplex Scope makes it so...
Just my opinion based on a little experience...

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Scout scopes have been obsolete for a long time.

by cas, Tuesday, January 31, 2017, 22:46 (2854 days ago) @ Rob Leahy

I have a pair of 1x4 Meoptas that showed me that, like a red dot on 1 and a regular scope on 4. (forget about the 1x6 and 1x8's other companies have)


Love that glass, but there's one thing I can't do with them that I can with the scout, and that's wrap my hand around the action to carry it.

You practicing to be a gun writer?

by Slow Hand ⌂ @, Indiana, Wednesday, February 01, 2017, 08:38 (2854 days ago) @ Rob Leahy

With an opening statement like that, you'll be soon writing articles about how the .45 is a waste of time and the AR is more reliable than an AK!!

What barrel length did you go with?

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heaven forbid! My editor would be so overworked...

by Rob Leahy ⌂ @, Prescott, Arizona, Wednesday, February 01, 2017, 09:52 (2854 days ago) @ Slow Hand

18 on the S&W and 8.5" on the 300AAC.

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heaven forbid! My editor would be so overworked...

by Slow Hand ⌂ @, Indiana, Wednesday, February 01, 2017, 16:08 (2854 days ago) @ Rob Leahy
edited by Slow Hand, Wednesday, February 01, 2017, 16:11

My .308's are a 22" And 16" FAL and now two 20" bolt guns. My max range I can shoot regularly is 350 yards so a 24" or whatever longer barrel seems wasted...

One of the bolt guns, a recently picked up Savage Hog Hunter is outfitted with a 2-7 Vortex scope and even with my bad eyes had little trouble ringing steel at 350! I'm wavering back and forth between leaving it light or putting a Boyd's Tacticool stock on it and fitting it with a detachable mag.

I went with the 8.5" on my .300 SBR also. I do have a 16" that I was wanting to play with wringing out accuracy but haven't really played with very much yet!

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Me'll be your editor!

by rob @, Thursday, February 02, 2017, 13:04 (2853 days ago) @ Rob Leahy

.

I don't disagree with you on a practical level, but...

by cubrock, Wednesday, February 01, 2017, 10:33 (2854 days ago) @ Rob Leahy

given this group is pretty disposed to liking old school things, I imagine no one will make fun of me that I still like and will use a scout rifle, if for no other reason than nostalgia and participating in an old way to get the job done. Much like I still carry and use a .44 Special or .38/44 and think of the time when Keith did the same and it was cutting edge. Or that Skeeter liked it, just because. :)

Or a Winchester 94 in .30-30, etc., ad nauseum.

I know what you mean....

by Glen, Wednesday, February 01, 2017, 13:27 (2854 days ago) @ cubrock

Nothing against the "proper" Scout rifle concept, but my ideal version of the Scout rifle is a 30-40 Krag carbine, with a striker peep sight and an ivory front bead.

Hey now, that's classy. NT

by Bryan ⌂, Ft Worth, TX, Wednesday, February 01, 2017, 14:41 (2854 days ago) @ Glen

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I shoot muzzleloaders...long obsolete... WHAT was that Rob

by Rob Leahy ⌂ @, Prescott, Arizona, Wednesday, February 01, 2017, 13:49 (2854 days ago) @ cubrock

guy even thinking???

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LOL

by cubrock, Wednesday, February 01, 2017, 13:56 (2854 days ago) @ Rob Leahy

I am waiting on ATF approval on several suppressors and a couple SBRs. When that comes, I will be building a suppressed 10" .300 Blackout. It will likely carry an Aimpoint PRO on it. For shorter range work, that will likely edge out my scout rifles in utility. But, it won't replace them. I'm a "both/and" kind of guy.

LOL

by Slow Hand ⌂ @, Indiana, Wednesday, February 01, 2017, 16:05 (2854 days ago) @ cubrock

My .300 SBR is an 8.5" and has no trouble hitting half scale silhouette steel at 350 yards with 125 gr super sonic loads. I just swapped scopes and put a 1-3x Weaver on it. My AK SBR is a 10 or 10.5" and I can hit the same steel with a red dot most of the time.

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What model suppressor is that? nt

by cubrock, Wednesday, February 01, 2017, 16:49 (2854 days ago) @ Slow Hand

nt

It's an SAS .30 cal

by Slow Hand ⌂ @, Indiana, Thursday, February 02, 2017, 15:20 (2853 days ago) @ cubrock

Formerly of Evansvill, In, but Tim is now out on AZ,I believe. It's a great can, but all stainless so a bitheVy. He makes the same can in titanium. I wish I would have saved up the extra money and body titanium one as it would've been a lot lighter. This one is good for up to 300 magnum and full auto. Most of the time my 300 blackout get shot with my F1 can which is a lot shorter and lighter but considerably louder.

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Very nice nm

by cubrock, Thursday, February 02, 2017, 16:22 (2853 days ago) @ Slow Hand

nm

What dimensions and weight, if you don't mind?

by John K., Thursday, February 02, 2017, 16:48 (2853 days ago) @ Slow Hand

Always interested in numbers.

;~`) y'betcha....benn 'retro-grading, in a simple fashion

by John Meeker @, Thursday, February 02, 2017, 18:27 (2853 days ago) @ cubrock

nt

THE SCOUT IS OBSOLETE: S&W M10 M&P 308 w/

by uncowboy, Wednesday, February 01, 2017, 11:00 (2854 days ago) @ Rob Leahy

IS IT YOUR BIRTHDAY

I had to come up with a new way to harass you. Folks have

by Rob Leahy ⌂ @, Prescott, Arizona, Wednesday, February 01, 2017, 13:36 (2854 days ago) @ uncowboy

figured out the .41 is a dead issue;-):-D ;-) I love my Scout rifles but, the old concept is due for an update.

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WHAT??????

by Robb Barnes, Wednesday, February 01, 2017, 15:34 (2854 days ago) @ Rob Leahy

Did I hear someone say the 41 is a dead issue? Heaven forbid and may your teasing tongue fall off!:-D

:-) Just scratching an old scab... being silly really

by Rob Leahy ⌂ @, Prescott, Arizona, Wednesday, February 01, 2017, 18:46 (2854 days ago) @ Robb Barnes

Jostly a friend in the ribs;-)

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NEVER.............

by Gunner @, St Louis, Saturday, February 04, 2017, 08:46 (2851 days ago) @ Rob Leahy

The 41 MAGNUM Lives on for EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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41 Mags rule, Baers rock!

Don't poke the 41 mag bear. He gets crabby. NT

by Bryan ⌂, Ft Worth, TX, Saturday, February 04, 2017, 13:26 (2851 days ago) @ Gunner

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I tend to agree

by mcassill, Wednesday, February 01, 2017, 18:21 (2854 days ago) @ Rob Leahy

They make a nice light hunting rifle. For the serious social purposes that Colonel Cooper envisioned them for, they are really only useful for a narrow set of circumstances. There are a number of self-loading 7.62 rifles that can be made to shoot very well with decent optics and a good trigger. For most conditions involving encounters with armed humans, one of those would be a much better choice.

The Cooper Scout goes to war...

by Byron, Wednesday, February 01, 2017, 18:38 (2854 days ago) @ Rob Leahy

That's interesting. Thx for posting. NT

by Bryan ⌂, Ft Worth, TX, Wednesday, February 01, 2017, 21:03 (2854 days ago) @ Byron

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Civil wars tend to be "use what you can get" affairs

by mcassill, Thursday, February 02, 2017, 05:18 (2853 days ago) @ Bryan

I suspect that after a couple of fights those fellows with the Steyrs would have given their left gonads for something like a SCAR-H or G28 (neither of which existed at that time). It's hard to lay down suppressive fire during the "break contact" battle drill with a bolt action.

Civil wars tend to be "use what you can get" affairs

by Sarge ⌂ @, Central Misery, Thursday, February 02, 2017, 08:07 (2853 days ago) @ mcassill

or an AK.

Finn Aagaard once wrote a good article about his military

by John K., Thursday, February 02, 2017, 09:46 (2853 days ago) @ Sarge

experience in Africa. They mostly used Enfields and Brens. He talked about a competition where they were given a certain amount of ammo to knock down targets, under time, with movement. He said they quickly learned to keep the Bren on semi. They enjoyed shooting against the fancier outfits with FALs because it was a lot of sound and fury, dust and targets left standing. Always did very well, since they were all 'farm boys' and grew up hunting in Africa.

Then...

One day they competed against a well-trained (British?) unit that knew how to use a semi-auto rifle AND sights... those guys stole their lunch.

Obvious lesson there.

The guys with the "light sniper" rifles...

by mcassill, Thursday, February 02, 2017, 12:43 (2853 days ago) @ Sarge

Probably ended up carrying AKs for backup.

That is exactly what the Marine Scout/ Snipers are doing

by Rob Leahy ⌂ @, Prescott, Arizona, Thursday, February 02, 2017, 20:38 (2853 days ago) @ mcassill

a mix of long guns and suppressed 10" ARs

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Yup. At a certain point in the festivities...

by mcassill, Friday, February 03, 2017, 07:26 (2852 days ago) @ Rob Leahy

That bolt-action become a liability. Thus the Army equipping a lot of snipers with the M110, and when those became problem children, now buying G28s.

I remember that back in the day...

by Rob Leahy ⌂ @, Prescott, Arizona, Thursday, February 02, 2017, 14:26 (2853 days ago) @ Byron

with modern opticas and lighter semi and full autos it's moot.

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I like that rifle. Would love to have one. NT

by Bryan ⌂, Ft Worth, TX, Wednesday, February 01, 2017, 21:16 (2854 days ago) @ Rob Leahy

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THE SCOUT IS OBSOLETE?

by Drago, Thursday, February 02, 2017, 09:25 (2853 days ago) @ Rob Leahy

Boy Scout?
Girl Scout?
Confused Scout?
:-D

Well, yes the Boy and GirlScouts have become obsolete

by Rob Leahy ⌂ @, Prescott, Arizona, Thursday, February 02, 2017, 14:28 (2853 days ago) @ Drago

both changing their agendas to It Scouts...

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