the sometimes legal/no paperwork sawed off shotgun
Legal by federal law, but state laws vary. My state copies federal code verbatim. And local police aware of all that follows, but it behooves one to have at minimum a letter from Mossberg verifying shipping configuration. And laws can change.
ATF has ruled that a gun which ships from factory with a pistol grip is not a shotgun, as shotgun defined as made to be shoulder fired.
So, rifle/shotgun barrel length law does not apply, and THIS according to ATF. As far back as 2009 they were sending letters out as to it being its own class on FFL forms as "pistol grip shotgun".
This has led to PGO shotguns being made from scratch with barrels of 8". And probably will end by ruining it for everybody.
The kicker being the provision for minimum length of 26" for long guns still applies.
The Cruiser type can be as short as circa 16" barrel. This one is 4lbs 15oz, 26 3/8ths" long.
Complete thread:
- the sometimes legal/no paperwork sawed off shotgun -
Lofty,
2016-07-02, 20:02
- addendum of mainly opinion. -
Lofty,
2016-07-02, 20:11
- correction. This one is 26 3/16ths" long. NT -
Lofty,
2016-07-02, 20:18
- It's 18 inches min. barrel length for a shotgun -
MR,
2016-07-02, 20:31
- that is correct, but -
Lofty,
2016-07-02, 20:34
- a citation from ATF -
Lofty,
2016-07-02, 20:53
- a citation from ATF part 2 -
Lofty,
2016-07-02, 20:56
- and if and when they ever change the classification, -
Lofty,
2016-07-02, 23:52
- and here is the type abuse which will lead to a reclassifica - Lofty, 2016-07-03, 00:18
- and if and when they ever change the classification, -
Lofty,
2016-07-02, 23:52
- a citation from ATF part 2 -
Lofty,
2016-07-02, 20:56
- Used To Own A Mossberg Cruiser Model 500 Long Ago... -
~JM~,
2016-07-02, 21:02
- it has already been approved, and -
Lofty,
2016-07-02, 21:10
- Ask Randy Weaver How Well That Worked Out For Him. (nt) -
~JM~,
2016-07-02, 23:16
- did you read the head honcho of ATF letter, Mr Snide? NT - Lofty, 2016-07-02, 23:19
- This is common enough knowledge my PD knew before me. NT - Lofty, 2016-07-02, 23:16
- it has already been approved, and - cas, 2016-07-03, 12:13
- Ask Randy Weaver How Well That Worked Out For Him. (nt) -
~JM~,
2016-07-02, 23:16
- it has already been approved, and -
Lofty,
2016-07-02, 21:10
- a citation from ATF -
Lofty,
2016-07-02, 20:53
- that is correct, but -
Lofty,
2016-07-02, 20:34
- It's 18 inches min. barrel length for a shotgun -
MR,
2016-07-02, 20:31
- correction. This one is 26 3/16ths" long. NT -
Lofty,
2016-07-02, 20:18
- a selfie for scale. - Lofty, 2016-07-02, 20:30
- several provisos apply - Lofty, 2016-07-03, 01:31
- maybe i should just post politics, ammo, or for sale. -
Lofty,
2016-07-03, 11:37
- maybe i should just post politics, ammo, or for sale. - cas, 2016-07-03, 12:11
- Just like cas, I didn't learn anything new..... - Otony, 2016-07-03, 21:12
- Just could t stay away; huh, Lance? - Slow Hand, 2016-07-04, 08:01
- addendum of mainly opinion. -
Lofty,
2016-07-02, 20:11