I recently bought a lot of "Guns & Ammo magazines....

by Harry O, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 12:16 (4687 days ago)

from the early-1970’s to the mid-1980’s. I have been reading a few of them per week and particularly enjoy the “Gunnotes” articles by Elmer Keith. I remember reading some of them when they first came out, but they mean a lot more to me now while re-reading them. He originated much of what shooters “know” now. However, some of what he believed violates some of the “orthodoxy” of todays Internet poster. I have no doubt that if he was posting today, he would be flamed unmercifully.

Some examples: He had absolutely no use with wheeelweights for casting. He used 16:1 lead:tin for a wide range of loads. It had a similar hardness to WW, but leaded less. However, he expected at least some leading. As long as it did not noticeably affect accuracy and it could be cleaned out with a few swipes of a brass brush and some solvent, he considered it part of the cost of doing business.

He also had no use for gas-checks. I think that is because he spent most of his time with the .44 and .45 at moderately high pressures (up to 28,000psi). These loads did not develop as much pressure as the .357 Magnum or the .44 Magnum that was later introduced (35,000 to 36,000psi). I believe that if he had gone for full power loads with the .357 Magnum or with loads as powerful as the original .44 Magnum in his 44 or 45, he might have felt differently about gas-checks. In reading about the .44 Magnum load he settled on after it was introduced, he actually downloaded it a little bit and ended up with a velocity about halfway between his original .44 Special loads and early factory loads. Since then, the factory .44 Magnum loads have been reduced to very close to the load he settled on.

He was an advocate of heavy, powerful bullets, much more so than his contemporaries. He found the 30-06 marginal for coyotes and had a custom .300 Winchester made up especially for that. He used a .333 wildcat (similar to the later .338 Magnum) for deer. He used the .375 H&H Magnum for bear and elk and considered that marginal. He worked with several .400 to .450cal smokeless rifle wildcats and up to .50cal black powder cartridges. He also talked quite often about using a 10ga Magnum shotgun.

I now believe this is because of the distances he shot. There are very few stories about shooting at less than 200 yards (and they usually had to do with a handgun). More were about 300 to 500 yard shots he took at small to medium game with a rifle. The 30-06 that he said was marginal for coyotes was being used for that at over 400 yards. Many more of his stories are about 500 to 800 yard shots he took at larger game. I have no doubt that he actually took those shots. No wonder he needed such big cartridges. The power of whatever he started with would be a lot less at those ranges.

Anyway, it is thoroughly enjoyable re-reading his articles.

I recently bought a lot of "Guns & Ammo magazines....

by Mark @, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 14:23 (4687 days ago) @ Harry O

Back in the early '80's, my father subscribed to G&A for many years. I looked at them but it didn't mean much to this 12 year old suburbinite. I am sure they are in my Mother's attic but I am yet to find them.
Maybe Elmer didn't care for wheel weights because lead and better alloys were plentiful by today's standards.
Mark

bullet technology has improved so much, i think he would

by cable, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 15:19 (4687 days ago) @ Harry O

appreciate that and perhaps revise some of his recommendations. loved his writing then and still tend to choose my guns still very much based on his philosophies.

I recently bought a lot of "Guns & Ammo magazines....

by Alfred John, Monday, January 30, 2012, 13:01 (4681 days ago) @ Harry O

I always enjoyed his writings. He did make a living as a game guide and many times he had to help find and put away whatever the client had wounded. He wanted calibers and bullets that anchored an animal fast. He didn't have some of the bullets and powders we have today as well. As for non-use of wheelweights, he wanted quality bullets. I find many serious shooters and casters are willing to forgo wheel weights in place of known quaility lead alloys.He did like the Nosler bullets which were new at his time, but his biggest complaint was people were always trying to avoid recoil. As for gaschecks he did use them but considered it a bother and would have just worked around them. ATB

I recently bought a lot of "Guns & Ammo magazines....

by Warhawk, Hot Springs, Arkansas, Wednesday, February 01, 2012, 11:36 (4679 days ago) @ Harry O

It sure was a blow to this young kid when Mr Keith passed. I was absolutely addicted to reading his work in G&A. Are you aware that there are two books that compile his GUN NOTES articles? GUN NOTES I & II

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