Did anyone happen to notice the .22 Magnum 1911 @ SHOT?

by Otony, Monday, January 23, 2012, 19:47 (4636 days ago)

I read about it here: http://www.gunmartblog.com/2012/01/22-magnum-1911-from-rock-island-armory.html

Also here: http://ezine.m1911.org/showthread.php?t=120

I know we will soon hear from Byron about how this is only as powerful as a .22 Long Rifle ;-) but all that aside, I find this to be an interesting idea. Certainly a bit more immediately usable than the RIA .22TCM, and I for one am always intrigued by what can be done with the 1911 platform.

Did any of you SHOT attendees see this? Apparently it was available for firing during the media introduction range day.

1911 style .22 Mag........

by Byron, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 08:37 (4635 days ago) @ Otony

I did look over the Rock Island autos last week, including their .22...

I "think" the one I handled was a .22 LR...but may be wrong....

It had a fixed barrel and open top slide like a M9 and seemed to be a nice enough small bore autopistol...

Regarding the short barrel .22 Mags...kinda betwix and between....lots more expensive than LRs...not a whole lot more power (measured...not flash and bang)...

Absolutly prefer a 9mm Parabellum (or .38 Special)...more choices in ammo....good quality ball about the same price as the .22 Mag (or less)....report and flash about the same....truly high performance ammo available... much more versitile round...all around...

Still the 30 shot Keltec is a cute little shooter and I will have one....not for the round but for the general coolness....

As always the .22 Mag in a rifle is a very solid performer....

Byron

I will note that those fellas on Swamp People found that the

by Hobie ⌂ @, Shenandoah Valley of Virginia, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 11:06 (4635 days ago) @ Otony

.22 WRM out of pistol (and a Heritage SA at that) beat a .22 LR out of a rifle on Alligators. But, of course, they never specified which load they used.

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Sincerely,

Hobie

I think part of that would be better bullet construction

by stonewalrus, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 14:54 (4635 days ago) @ Hobie

Nm

Swamp people............

by Byron, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 16:40 (4635 days ago) @ Hobie

Just like the genius's on "Sons of Guns".....

Complete experts...

Byron

I think if you'd seen the episode you wouldn't be so

by Hobie ⌂ @, Shenandoah Valley of Virginia, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 18:09 (4635 days ago) @ Byron

dismissive... And yes, as I noted, bullet/load wasn't mentioned.

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Hobie

Not a show I would watch.........

by Byron, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 20:15 (4635 days ago) @ Hobie

However, how did these "Swamp Men" go about shooting 'gators with a .22 pistol?

Friends from South Africa have told me that unless they hit the crocs square in the brain with highpower rifle bullets that they would flop around some and the just swim off to die later underwater. Very, very hard to kill.

Then I have seen some real big steers shot from above in the brainstem with a .22 rifle that dropped so hard they bounced.

I guess it is jsut how you hit 'em.


Byron

Well, they "fish" for 'em. Hang a trot line and come back,

by Hobie ⌂ @, Shenandoah Valley of Virginia, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 21:17 (4635 days ago) @ Byron
edited by Hobie, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 06:57

pull the line up and shoot the animal at the edge of the boat. There were some .22 LR AND WMR guns (you sometimes see them handle ammo) (Marlins and older Savages) most usually in use but sometimes a Marlin 336 (.30?) and the good old boys hunt squirrels with various single-shot shotguns, mostly Savage. (edited to add) Yes, they do mention the small target the brain presents...

In the episode in question one of the gator fishermen has a problem killing the gators with his .22 LR. So he borrows the SA .22 Mag revolver from a friend. It is clearly a Heritage Roughrider, about $240 MSRP. One can easily see the safety in one shot.
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I usually watch in the 30 min to 1 hr while I wait for my bride to decide to battle her insomnia and come to bed. I'd rather watch that than another lyin' politician or some stuff about various dysfunctional families. Most of the people on this show are actually functional members of their families and communities even if they are a bit different compared to your average city dweller. I rather think they are more like me than anyone else on TV so it is a bit funny that the idea behind having them on TV is to present a "freak show".

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Sincerely,

Hobie

Well, they "fish" for 'em. Hang a trot line and come back,

by bmize, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 22:37 (4635 days ago) @ Hobie

They are real people making a living in the swamps. Yes, TV does do some stupid stuff with the film and edit it to fit there needs. It's one of my favorite shows. Along with Ax men, Justified, Gold Rush, NCIS and Swamp loggers.
Besides, I really don't like to read books ;-)

My 6 1/2 inch Single six does 1450fps with Wincheseter 40gr,

by Bob Hatfield @, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 20:55 (4634 days ago) @ Hobie

Jacketed soft point 22 mag. Couldnt believe it when I chrono'd it but thats what it did or the chrony lied for 6 shots. So i guess the swamp people were right that heavier jacket of the 22 mag allowed for better penetration along with maybe more fps

Bob

My 6 1/2 inch Single six does 1450fps with Wincheseter 40gr,

by jabell, Monday, January 30, 2012, 08:08 (4629 days ago) @ Bob Hatfield

Bob, you should be right on. My 4 5/8" ss does 1376 with same load. My 9.5 does 1565 with the 40grainer and 1905 with CCI Maxi Mag +V 30gr HPs. Didn't get a chance to chrono the 30grainer out of the shorter gun, but would guesstimate at least 1600 or so.

shooting steers.........

by Amerileiro, SW MO, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 09:12 (4634 days ago) @ Byron

Now Byron, you're reminding me of a funny story about bovine butchering. I've seen my dad drop a big Brahma steer with an old savage single shot .22 LR. Last week a friend of mine set out to attempt the same with a cow using his .22 LR pistol, I'm not sure what make. I am most sad that I was not present to observe the show, but those who did were quite jolly in the telling of how he attempted to get the cow to agree to letting him put his pistol up in the middle of the cow's forehead before he pulled the trigger. She was not agreeable to the endeavor and so he ended up firing three rounds into her cranial region before she keeled over. Only to start to revive before they cut her throat.

I would NOT recommend letting my friend kill your next gator for you. ;-)

NO NO NO NOT THE FOREHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Byron, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 09:32 (4634 days ago) @ Amerileiro

Thickest and hardest part......

You get up in the rafters above the steer and place the barrel right on the hide at the base of the skull pointed up just a bit.

Works like a charm.....turns them right off....

But then again so would an ice pick...

Byron

NO NO NO NOT THE FOREHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Catoosa, Thursday, January 26, 2012, 10:38 (4633 days ago) @ Byron

My uncle was a deputy sheriff back in the day. One day he was at the county farm and they wanted him to shoot one of the pigs for meat for the workhouse prisoners. Uncle Jack bonked a big shoat between the eyes with a .38 Special 200 grain RNL "Super Police" load. That big ol' slow bullet just glanced off the pig's skull and made him REAL mad. IIRC, one of the trustys, a big black fellow, finally had to run the pig down, sit on it, and cut its throat with a butcher knife.

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