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I got to the range a little late this morning and there were already two cars there marked "State Trooper". They were driven by a couple of Texas Department of Public Safety trooper that wanted to try out our range.

They wanted to shoot some bowling pins, so I took them to that range. I set up some pins on the steel table, 50' from the firing point. They pulled out their Sig P226s in 357 Sig and proceeded to make war on the bowling pins. Each fired two magazines, taking their time to take careful aim. When it was over, not a pin had been scratched.

The experience really gave me confidence in how our State Troopers are trained. They were using ammo paid for with my tax dollars. I think they train them to hit center of mass on a man sized target at a few yards, but a bowling pin at 50' feet isn't that hard to hit. We old fuds do it on a regular basis with 45s and can clean the table of 5 pins in 5 to 7 shots at about a second per shot.

Now I see why they call in the SWAT ninjas when they have a problem. These guys should be issued rubber guns.

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Must be a highway patrol thing. The California Highway Patrol uses the range at my department. Our range masters are always complaining about the damage done by them and their .40S&W's. They point shoot/spray and pray.

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use it for qualifying and such. It is very scary watching those guys shoot. I once saw a rookie deputy shoot 15 shots from his Glock at a life size human target from 7 yards. When the dust cleared, he had a grand total of ZERO hits anywhere on the target.
The funniest thing I ever witnessed was the Postal Police drive up in their mail truck and proceed to unload 2 MP-5's-one suppressed and one not and a couple cases of ammo. They were wailing away at targets and shooting over the berms into the trees beyond. Very scary. I got out of there ASAP.

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We have frequent matches of Cowboys vs Cops here. Over the several years, the LEO's have only won once with their high-tech hardware and the Cowboys beat them with our single actions, bouble bl shotguns and LA rifles.

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For years, the texas dps range was on Lamaar St in austin. It had a corregated plastic roof that was shot full of holes. Some blocks away was a half way house for exiting prison inmates. On at least one occasion, a bullet from the dps range landed on the property and frightened them.

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We took a field trip to the Indiana police academy the next tow over. The only part I really remember is the shooting range. They had 2x4' accoustical ceiling tikes set at an angle for noise baffles. I noticed that there were several tiles less tha three feet from the firing line with holes in them! I asked the tour guide about them and he confirmed they were bullet holes. He said that less than half of cadets had ever touched a gun, and less than 10% were what they considered 'adequate' shots before training. I know most cops go through their entire career without ever having to use their handguns, but I can't imagine getting into that career path having no familiarity with guns at all!

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If you have ever taken the Texas Concealed handgun course they you are somewhat familiar with their basic qualification regumen.

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I have a Texas CHL and could pass the course of fire with a bean blower or by throwing rocks.

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Pass the TN one blind folded.

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I took my CCW class a few years ago and struggled to stay focused throughout much of it because I passed that particular stage of ability and awareness eons ago. When it came time to do the shooting portion of the class, I aced it (of course), but was sddened when it was over by the realization that I could have shot the qualification with a smiley face pattern and still received the same passing score. Instead I played a round of "chase the bullet hole", where I tried to make all my shots go through the same hole in the center of the target. I ended up with an approximate 1 inch group, and knew I was capable of better. I tried to convince my son to shoot a smiley face when he took his class, but he played it straight too. Honestly, some of the people in his class should not be allowed to own guns, at least until they can handle them safely. I watched the life fire portion, and damn near tackled a guy who repeatedly swept everybody with his muzzle.

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.......adventure with guys like that. I'm sorry to report that the majority (as in better than 75%) are totally unable to control the muzzle of any firearm. Very disconcerting for other customers who are browsing jewelry or tools to glance up at a shotgun being pointed at them!

The other day I purposely made overly exaggerated, wild movements to signal the shopper that he was sweeping me with a pistol. No matter, he simply redoubled his efforts to keep the muzzle on me! I know it wasn't intentional, just stupidity, but he couldn't have been more determined even if he knew what he was doing.

Occasionally we get someone in who announces that they are carrying and want to show us their pistola. A loud, simultaneous "NO" from the boss and I, followed by stern instructions to go outside and unload first is usually met with a stupefied stare. We also get the occasional hero who walks in empty-handed to ask if he should unload his gun before bringing it in to pawn. Well, duh, ya think that might be a good idea?

On that note, at least once a month or so, some Darwin candidate manages to avoid all that fuss and bother, and simply hands us a loaded gun. Rocket surgeons, the lot of 'em, and it makes me sad that it is the overwhelming majority. They handle a firearm as though it was as safe as a shovel......and I've seen the results of shovel accidents too, sigh.

Otony

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What is the course of fire for the Texas CHL?

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Over the roared objections of dinosaurs like me, LE firearms training has been dumbed-down for 30 years. At my first real academy (KCPD) we were expected (and required) to make consistent hits on the 8 ring of a B27 from 50 yards, using DA .38 revolvers. Today I can show you departments where they never shoot past 50 feet and rarely that. Most of your shots, landing somewhere on the silhouette, gets you qualified.

The original intent was to get away from bulls-eye shooting and concentrate on the quick & dirty. I get that... but you have to have some accuracy standards or your troops simply shoot to the lowest common denominator.

The best shooters in LE are exactly like the best shooters in any other discipline. They are the people willing to invest time and money in proficiency, they possess the drive to excel and they shoot under adverse conditions, when they feel like crap, etc. You have to be willing to push yourself to failure, to find your weak points. Some guys just don't care.

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'Gun people' think cops should be able to shoot.

'Non-gun people' think they can.

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…"some people like to shoot, and some people like to sit at home and think they can shoot." (aimed at a couple local keyboard commandos)

When I worked as a range officer I saw LOTS of bad shooting, that's for sure. Sadly many of the LEO's were the worst of it. Some I swear if they were shooting at you, the best defense would be to turn sideways and stand as still as possible. :-(

There was one alarming safety violation I saw over and over again from young NYPD officers (so many times that I started to ask around if it was something they were actually teaching them in the academy). Not sure how to describe is… racking the slide on your pistol, you take an overhand grasp of the whole slide, then pull the slide back as you push the gun forward. Which is fine, but they'd do it across their chest, perpendicular to their body. Basically pointing it at 90º, chambering a round pointing at the guy next to them (or 60 guys down the line from them). :eyepopping: I couldn't count how many times I saw that. I'd always have to go correct them, which none of these young full of beans officers wanted to hear.

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The busiest target stand was a moveable one on the 30 yard range. They would set it about twelve FEET from the standing shooting bench. Then they would rest the gun on the bench! Same regulars week after week. When I go back and visit I see nothing has changed, sadly. I literally point shot my first CHL class and aced it. I am torn on the idea of constitutional carry. Personally, I favor it over having to be licensed but I've watched a LOT of classes and seen some folks who may squeak by but they really are not proficient to handle a gun needing constant coaching and admonishment.

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