Thoughts and updates on the PT145...

by Sarge ⌂ @, Central Misery, Thursday, April 04, 2013, 10:38 (4196 days ago)

I ended up with a couple of good .45 magazines; perhaps the weak link with the 24/7 and Millennium Pros in that caliber.
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/24-7-series/16339-24-7-pro-45acp-12-rd-magazine-compa...
The Mil Pros are short barreled, short-stroke autos and like all of that breed, they demand perfect mag and recoil springs.

These guns are light-for-caliber and it comes as no surprise that all the recoil-related gremlins feel welcome in it. it requires a firm grip, to support the frame so the mechanism can work. I suspect the lion's share of function problems, not related to magazines, are from the lack of firm support. Peggi is an experienced shooter she learned, early on, to grip a pistol like she means to hold onto it. So do I. Neither of us have had a function problem with the PT145. It is a very manageable pistol and with most 45 ACP loads, has a softer recoil than other lightweight autos I fired.

Probably because it is light, I note is a substantial, vertical 25 yard POI variance when switching loads- even of the same bullet weight. For instance, Remington UMC 230 FMJ strikes at least 4" higher than Tula, Armscor or my 225 grain reloads.

The stacked dots of the Heine Straight Eights were causing me grief. I would shoot it well but when the dots wavered, I'd toss a shot WAY out. When I blacked out the rear dot, 'shootability' improved instantly. With a couple hundred rounds down the pipe & the sights zeroed and usable, I'm beginning to like it.

Thoughts and updates on the PT145...

by passing by, Thursday, April 04, 2013, 22:00 (4196 days ago) @ Sarge

Not to hijack your thread, but my G36 is short, light, short recoil, short stroke, and I have been unable to induce a jam or malfunction even when holding the gun with three fingers, wrist bent at 90degs, and emptying magazine as fast as I can without shooting myself in the foot, and does this with all four mags I have for gun.

Had two failures to extract with the gun, one at round 3, one at round 497. Came across internet post where a smith claimed new extractors with tactile loaded chamber indicators were the culprit, and installed an old style without the extra mass and less plunger pressure of new style, and it works perfectly to date for another 600 rounds. The pre-LCI extractor also seems to have a sharoper, longer, and better hook, FWIW.

Now back to Taurus. just thought i would mention one that does work as advertised. I didn't expect it to be such a well behaved gun, but now trust it more than any self-loader I have ever owned.

No hijack at all...

by Sarge ⌂ @, Central Misery, Friday, April 05, 2013, 07:35 (4195 days ago) @ passing by

The LCI extractors have been excellent in the .40 cal Glocks, but I haven't fooled with the 45's other the Model 30- which I really like. They are light years ahead of anything Taurus ever put out.

I avoided Glocks until 2008 and the first one they issued me choked its azz off during my first qualification. Bad magazine.

I've avoided Taurus longer, LOL. The little PT Pros sorta intrigued me; and more than anything else, I wanted to see of they'd make Joe Sixpack a decent carry gun. From a practical standpoint, a used Glock at $50 more will always be a better buy.

whew. FYI,

by passing by, Friday, April 05, 2013, 20:18 (4195 days ago) @ Sarge

My very first fling with a plastic pistol was two years ago, a Sigma 9mm. Partially due to info you had posted. It was an OK gun, and further looking into gun showed it probably wasn't better due to degree it was a cruder version of a Glock.

I have medium sized hands and reach was too far, trigger too heavy, frame a poor fit to hand and upper inboard frame extension bruised/chafed thumb basejoint, and internals just cruder and perhaps more prone to failures, from firing pin spring cups to extractors, but never had a problem and brand new at $275 was impossible to resist for a trial balloon.

It gave me the courage to plunk down full retail minus military discount for very first top drawer plastic gun. Now I feel like a dope for not getting one sooner, but it DID give them time to work bugs out of Glock Perfection on the model.

Bought it after beloved 1911 blew a hole in bedroom mattress when worn hammer notch and weak sear return spring conspired to fire gun when chambering a round and hammer fell and sear didn't catch half-cock, me thinking that NEVER would have happened with a Sigma or Glock.

So I held my nose and bought a Glock, and found it to be about the best self-loader I have ever owned. In the end, a root cause analysis would say it is your fault. Thank you.

I've had both a 1911 (Kimber) and a G21 since the 90s

by mcassill, Friday, April 05, 2013, 21:34 (4195 days ago) @ passing by

I actually like the 1911 better. The Glock rode many a mile with me when I was traveling all over the country; the Kimber became my preferred carry gun when carry permits became obtainable here. The Kimber is a lot more accurate, and runs flawlessly on reloads that the G21 chokes and gags upon (it's verrrry sensitive to cartridge OAL even with RN bullets). Go figure. YMMV

I have had various 1911s since 1973

by passing by, Saturday, April 06, 2013, 00:45 (4195 days ago) @ mcassill

some have been ok, some have been horrible, some have been wonderful, most needed some sort of tweaking and some were horrible no matter what was tweaked or completely rebuilt. I could never take any of them and shoot them with a three finger loosy goosey hold with loose wrist bent 90degs, although one or two came close, Norincos and an old Remington sorry to say.

Probably could have left the G36 alone to see if it failed to extract in another 500rds, but decided to be proactive since a plausible and under $20 cause/fix was available with simple parts swap, and otherwise the gun has been totally flawless, and it amazes me.

It shoots as accurately as most 1911s I have owned, better than some, worse than others, playing card accurate at 25yds, although not easy to do as it is close to a 1911 in feel in some ways, but lacks grip support in other ways, me probably needing some sort of filler on outboard side.

But then i would lose the flat smallness of the G36, and it is 1911 flat throughout, perhaps thinner in grip than some 1911s, depending on panels, but it is their thinnest gun, and probably the only Glock with a reach short enough for my hands, would put it in flat MSH/Long Trigger 1911 reach class.

Certainly most anyone could make a headshot at 25yds with it. I really don't need more accuracy than that, hard to explain to anyone a self defense shooting at 50-100yds most times.

Feed on this one seems pretty much straight line into chamber, it does not set back bullets into cases no matter how many times chambered, although it seems top of ogive just kisses chamber as it feeds. I assume chamber is typical Glock slobbo and that extractor establishes headspace, but just guessing. No case bulging with standard hardball loads, which are no pipsqueaks when it comes to stressing either brass or gun design.

If anyone cares about my theory as to failure to extract with the LCI on the G36, which has many stand-alone parts, i think it has to do with poor hook design combined with angular momentum and mass. The extractor pivots outboard at ejection, the slide accelerates forward, the extra outboard mass and longer design of the LCI extractor leaves it pinned under acceleration in the pivoted-out/case-ejection position, and as it feeds the next round and the slide halts, the extractor never gets a proper seat on rim (it is a CRF design, it seems) and pops over rim at next extraction cycle, leaving empty in chamber, Nice theory anyhow.

Apologies about a REAL hijack. Will post a proper review of G36 sometime, and anyone is free to insert Taurus or Daisy comments there.

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