The PT-145- An experiment in Taurus QC

by Sarge ⌂ @, Central Misery, Friday, March 29, 2013, 22:22 (4260 days ago)
edited by Sarge, Saturday, March 30, 2013, 12:06

Traded into a Taurus PT145 MilPro... been wanting to try one of these and the Missus wasn't getting along with her SR40C due to hand problems, so away it went. She does like my old G23...

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The PT145 comes with two 10 round mag's. It has an odd, but shootable trigger. With the mechanism pre-set you long, light take-up, a firm spot and then the break. If the round is a dud, you get another more revolver-like pull that gives it a second strike. Two pounds of pull is required during the take-up and the trigger breaks at six pounds of pull, in SA Mode. The second-strike DA pull requires nine pounds to fire the gun. It has a thumb safety that mimics the 1911A1 in location and operation.

It has the Taurus key-lock on the slide, if you like that sort of thing. In size, it is is shorter than the Glock 23 and roughly comparable to a G27 with a finger extension on the magazine. The PT145's trigger guard is a little larger than either Glock, to facilitate the DA trigger mechanism. Still, Brazilians did an excellent job of shrinking an 11 shot SA/DA .45 Auto into the smallest possible package.

Taurus has a well-deserved reputation for spotty quality control, which manifested itself in the 20 rounds from the gun. One of the magazines was, politely put, a piece of shit. Luckily, the the dealer had another PT145 on hand and he swapped me out a good mag PDQ. With good magazines, pistol is reliable and it isn't picky about bullet profile. It fed my .45 ACP, 230 lead flat-point reloads slick as a whistle. Early shooting indicates it will keep a magazine on your head at 20 paces.

Internet prattle on the PT145 is ripe with complaints about the sights, which are essentially Heine Straight 8's. I find them a distant 2nd place to Glock OEM sights. Each of the PT145's sights is secured in its dovetail by a set screw. Many users report that their PT145 prints low and this gun bears that out. It also shot a little right, so I set about adjusting the sights with the little allen wrench provided with the gun. I was able to loosen the front sight; but the set screw in the rear sight wouldn't budge. I was able to accomplish windage correction via the front sight alone and I also removed some material to bring the POI up.

The second range outing involved 25 yard shooting from an old folding table, resting my wrists on the range bag. I used Armscor 230 FMJ, my bulk lead-bullet .45 ACP reload* and Winchester USA 230 grain JHP. We are in the spring monsoon here and it was cool and rainy; my shooting probably wasn't at its best. I fired several 3 shot groups with the Armscor FMJ, while adjusting windage, and it wasn't uncommon for those groups to be 2 1/2 to 3 inches. 5 shot groups with all mentioned loads averaged about four inches; but by then I was straining at the sights with visible rainfall between me and the target. So I called off the accuracy evaluation and shot plates/range junk, standing unsupported. At 25 yards, 6" falling plates were pretty well toast and I nailed an old after-shave can several times with the pistol.

Overall, the PT145 is a decent small .45 Auto with a few liabilities. The rifling is very shallow, which may negatively affect accuracy particularly with lead bullets. It should do nicely with snake loads, though. Sights are usable, but could be better. I ran a magnet all over the frame rails and there is no steel to be found, so don't look for the PT145 to enjoy a 50,000 round service life. I think the PT145 is a passable CCW .45 Auto, once an individual specimen is proven for reliability. It is in no way comparable to a Glock 30.

Then there is that 'Taurus QC' thing, which is irrelevant if you get a 'good' one. I think I just may have lucked out and done that.

*Assorted brass, Missourt Bullet 225 grain 'Flathead' and 5.4 grains of W231 with a CCI standard large pistol primer. 1.200" OAL, 840 fps from 5" 1911's.

The PT-145- An experiment in Taurus QC

by Cherokee @, Medina, Ohio, Saturday, March 30, 2013, 07:05 (4259 days ago) @ Sarge

I have the big brother 24/7 OSS with the same lockwork, got over 5000 rtounds thru it without any problem with my TC cast bullet loads. It did not like SWC at first but I took the sharp edge off the chamber edges and they work fine now. It should serve you well.

Your round count is encouraging

by Sarge ⌂ @, Central Misery, Saturday, March 30, 2013, 12:42 (4259 days ago) @ Cherokee

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The PT-145- An experiment in Taurus QC

by Jared, Saturday, March 30, 2013, 07:43 (4259 days ago) @ Sarge

My Father in Law had a couple of the first generation guns. They were reasonably accurate, but neither would light off a primer every time. The first one he had would fail to ignite at least one out of every magazine. It made a trip to Taurus on the slow boat, finally came back with no report on work done and not much if any better. He liked the gun, we tried all kinds of factory and my handloads with no luck.

Finally he traded it in on another one, with about the same results. This one would only missfire occasionally, but would still do it. It is long gone too.

I have a PT140. no reliability problems except for one bad

by stonewalrus, Saturday, March 30, 2013, 10:22 (4259 days ago) @ Sarge

Magazine (slots cut wrong). I've had it for 4 years and run several hundred rounds through it. Hated the sights (Heinie straight 8) and have changed them out. Can't hit worth anything past 15 yards. It was my carry gun until I lucked into a used 9mm M&P compact.

BTW the higher capacity 24/7 mags fit my PT140

by stonewalrus, Saturday, March 30, 2013, 11:03 (4259 days ago) @ Sarge

15 rounds is better than 10:-D

Thanks, guys. Original post updated w/range report.

by Sarge ⌂ @, Central Misery, Saturday, March 30, 2013, 12:07 (4259 days ago) @ Sarge

NM

Interesting read. I recently snagged a "G2" PT111

by mcassill, Saturday, March 30, 2013, 13:25 (4259 days ago) @ Sarge

for Miss Heather's use. Good shooter, runs well with a variety of users. Feeds fine from both mags but one refuses to lock the slide back. We'll find out what Taurus is willing to do about that.

Hope Taurus will replace the offending magazine....

by Sarge ⌂ @, Central Misery, Saturday, March 30, 2013, 17:48 (4259 days ago) @ mcassill

My Chief has an old Taurus adjustable-sight copy of the Beretta 92, which trashed the little MIM screws etc. because the firing block stood proud and rammed into it with every trigger pull. This also broke the sight pivot pin through its corresponding hole... that nearly missed the slide altogether.

So I fought with them for a year, trying to get the junk slide exchanged for one with fixed sights. I eventually spoke with the top dog of their US market. They insist on having the gun shipped in and they will not pay shipping. That, he will have to do for himself.

I think I'd just buy a real 92FS...

by rob @, Sunday, March 31, 2013, 21:53 (4258 days ago) @ Sarge

If he likes the gun. I've had three, all three ran 100% and would eat any ammo I fed them. They shot extremely well, were very accurate and easy to shoot and they are quite affordable compared to several guns that aren't even half the gun. Makes me wonder why I ever let them go. Another fit of stupidity I suppose:) It won't happen again though because I ain't sellin' no mo guns!

I suggested that very thing...

by Sarge ⌂ @, Central Misery, Sunday, March 31, 2013, 22:37 (4258 days ago) @ rob

ditch the Taurus, get a 92; preferably a G model. But he has some disease that won't allow him to part with a gun ;)

It took a while but

by rob @, Sunday, March 31, 2013, 23:28 (4258 days ago) @ Sarge

I finally caught that disease as well...as long as the gun works for me. After all these years I "think" I've finally found the "just right" guns for me:)

Carried it for a few hours yesterday under a tail-out...

by Sarge ⌂ @, Central Misery, Sunday, March 31, 2013, 10:02 (4258 days ago) @ Sarge

T-shirt, my usual summer packin' mode meaning nothing between me and the gun except my poor old abused and much modified Safariland #27. The PT145 actually carries much nicer than my G23.

That damn checkering on the front & back straps was pointy as hell and abrading my tender vittles, especially after a big dinner of fried chicken! THAT got cured ASAP with a little file work and some 400 silicon carbide paper behind it. The gun carries nicer now and is quicker into the hand as well.

The PT-145- An experiment in Taurus QC

by Slow Hand ⌂ @, Indiana, Sunday, March 31, 2013, 12:59 (4258 days ago) @ Sarge

I had one when they were relatively new to the market. I liked the amount of firepower in the size of the package. Mine had ignition issues with my handloads but factory fodder was 100%. I assumed it was my reloads causing the issue. I've since started using a Lee FCD and had much better luck. Mine went bye bye a few years back.

My brother just picke up a new 9mm version of the same pistol. He brought it over last weekend so I could make a kydex holster for him. I was impressed with it. It had nice texturing to the grips and had some machine work don't to the slide that looked very well done. Not sure if he's had a have to shoot it yet. He don't have any 9mm ammo before he bought it an its pretty scarce around these parts... I loaned him a hundred rounds until things calm down some.

Glad to hear yours is doing well.

10 rounds of Tula 230 FMJ at 50 yards...

by Sarge ⌂ @, Central Misery, Sunday, March 31, 2013, 15:10 (4258 days ago) @ Sarge

standing, unsupported. Dropped one off by the head; if you dig around in the photo, you'll find doubles in the black. I'm OK with this given the size & weight of the gun.

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It may have...

by rob @, Sunday, March 31, 2013, 21:44 (4258 days ago) @ Sarge

An aluminum chassis of some sort molded into the polymer frame and rails.

So it appears....

by Sarge ⌂ @, Central Misery, Sunday, March 31, 2013, 22:43 (4258 days ago) @ rob

now that it's getting a little wear on it.

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